May 24, 2010

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CITY OF CARLISLE
APRIL 27, 2010

The regular meeting of the City of Carlisle was held this evening, April 27, 2010 in Town Hall with Mayor Tim Humphries presiding. The meeting was opened at 7:00 PM with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll call: Mr. Bryan Green, aye; Mayor Tim Humphries, aye; Mr. James Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Jennifer Long, Mr. Randy Winkler, aye. Absent were Mr. Chad Johnson and Mr. Scott Boschert.
Mr. Lickliter made a motion to excuse Mr. Johnson due to Military Training, seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
Mr. Green made a motion to excuse Mr. Boschert due to attending a college course, seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
The regular minutes of April 23, 2010 were presented to Council for approval. Mr. Lickliter made a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Seconded by Mr. Green.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.

Public Forum
Mrs. Callahan introduced Michael Bruck the Interim Police Chief, he spent 30 years in Middletown, 20 years plus as a supervisor and retired in 2007.
Chief Bruck thanked council for having him here in Carlisle, stated he retired from Middletown in 2007 and enjoyed his work, didn’t realize how much he missed the experience until he was called to work for the City of Carlisle. Chief Bruck stated he has been here 10 weeks and has reviewed the policy procedures, stated the basic are there but still a lot of work is needed to be done. There are training issues, we do have May training scheduled. Chief Bruck stated he has been talking with the officers regarding their interest and needs. Chief Bruck stated he has taken a look to see what’s missing in the community and what does the community expect from their police officers. Chief Bruck attended the Lions Fish Fry and actually “stopped” a train on the tracks for the Pony Tail League Parade.

Council Report:
Mrs. Long commented on how wonderful the RailRoad Crossings are. Long time coming.
Mrs. Callahan stated that CSX have completed all the tracks except for Central Ave. and they are waiting until school is out to complete. Norfork Southern has completed Lower Carlisle Road and the supervisor had a knee replacement so we are waiting to hear when they will be working on the crossing at Fairview Drive.
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Mr. Winkler commented on how nice the tracks at Lower Carlisle Road. Mr. Winkler wanted to recognize Besty Parr, who is a resident of Carlisle and is the Clerk of Council for Middletown. Mrs. Parr was recently elected Clerk of the Year by her colleagues.
Mr. Green thanked the Service Department for keeping up with everything. The grounds really looks nice. Mr. Green commented that Mr. Boschert and he were working on a letter to the residents on the Marty Lee house but seeing this is on for the work session will apparently have more discussion at that time. Mr. Green invited the public to the parade for the Carlisle Baseball Association on Friday at 7PM. Heater the mascot from the Dayton Dragon will be there.
Mr. Lickliter questioned the comment in the newspaper regarding the caboose that caught fire. Mrs. Callahan stated the caboose was not on fire, a piece of hot metal fell in the grass and caught the grass on fire under the caboose.
Mr. Winkler asked about the house on Fairview on the hill, this building is empty and has a lot of debris, broken glass panel, needs cleaned up. Mrs. Callahan stated it does need cleaned up and is on the city’s list to do so. At this time, we have no contact with the owners but staff is trying to determine who owns the property.

Mayor Report:
Mayor Humphries stated he had been invited by Congressman Turner’s Office to Wright Patterson Air Force Base tour. It was interesting to see the high level of security and the amount of research that goes on there. Thank you, Marty Heidi for putting this all together.
Mayor read a proclamation recognizing the week of May 2nd through May 8th as Municipal Clerks Week and extending appreciation to Carlisle Municipal Clerk, Flo Estes and to all Municipal Clerks for the vital services they perform and their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent.
Managers Report: Mrs. Callahan stated staff was hosting an open house on April 29th at 7PM here at Town Hall regarding the SR123 phase 10 project.
Mrs. Callahan stated we have been experiencing vandalism at Roscoe Roof Park after dark and asking that the residents who live around the area report any one who is seen in the park after dark. The Service Department has been reluctant to open the restrooms due to the amount of vandalism. Service Department has some special paint to put on the picnic tables to prevent markings on the tables. Mrs. Callahan stated that staff and she have been meeting with people regarding Security Camera and how reliable this would be and the cost of the systems
AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE REAPPROPRIATION/SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR CURRENT EXPENSES AND OTHER EXPENDITURES FOR THE CITY OF CARLISLE, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2010, AMENDMENT NUMBER 4, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
Mrs. Long made a motion to suspend the rules requiring three readings, have one reading by title only, and declaring an emergency. Seconded by Mr. Lickliter.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
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Discussion: Mrs. Callahan stated the supplemental for $2,200 is for a new mower for the Service Department. This is a larger mower than the one we traded thus the difference in cost needed to purchase new mower. $11,200 is needed for bridge load ratings. The National Bridge Inspection Standards is now requiring that the city needs to have all bridge in the City load rated. This is a unfunded mandate and if not done may jeopardize federal funding.
Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adopt, seconded by Mrs. Long.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
Ordinance passed of this day will be entered into Ordinance Record Book as 7-10.

A RESOLUTION DECLARING IT NECESSARY TO PROVIDE FOR LIGHTING THE STREETS, LANES AND OTHER PUBLIC WAYS IN THE CITY OF CARLISLE, OHIO WITH ELECTRIC LIGHTING DURING THE YEAR 2009 AND AUTHORIZING THE ASSESSMENTS FOR THE COST AND EXPENSE THEREOF UPON ALL LOTS AND LANDS LYING AND BEING WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF SAID CITY.
Discussion: This resolution is on for the third reading and adoption,
Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adopt, seconded by Mrs. Long.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
Ordinance past of this day will be entered into Ordinance Record Book as 5-10.

AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF $814,500 OF RENEWAL BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING A PROTION OF THE COST OF MAKING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MUNICIPALITY AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
Discussion: This ordinance is on for the third reading and adoption.
Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adopt, seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
Ordinance past of this day will be entered into Ordinance Record Book as 8-10.

AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF $327,500 OF RENEWAL BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF REFUNDING NOTES ORIGINALLY ISSUED TO PAY A PORTION OF THE COST OF MAKING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MUNICIPALITY.
Discussion: This ordinance is on for third reading and adoption.
Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adopt, seconded by Mr. Winkler
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
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Ordinance past of this day will be entered into Ordinance Record Book as 9-10.
Council adjourned into Work session.
There being no further business Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adjourn seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Green, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.
Meeting adjourned at 8:30PM.
Date: __________________
_______________________
Mayor
Attest: _____________________
Clerk of Council

Here are the latest City Council minutes found on the City's website.  It is from March 23, 2010 meeting.

CITY OF CARLISLE
MARCH 23, 2010

The regular meeting of the City of Carlisle was held this evening, March 23, 2010 in Town Hall with Mayor Tim Humphries presiding. The meeting was opened at 7:00PM with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll call: Mr. Scott Boschert, yes; Mr. Bryan Green, yes; Mayor Tim Humphries, yes; Mr. Chad Johnson, yes; Mr. James Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Jennifer Long, yes; Mr. Randy Winkler, yes.
The regular minutes of March 9, 2010 were presented to Council for approval. Mr. Johnson made a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Seconded by Mr. Lickliter.
Roll call: Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes; Mr. Johnson, yes; Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes; Mr. Boschert, yes;

Public Forum:
Mr. Terry Johnson of 290 Baker Lane requested that he would like to have his meeting scheduled that was promised to him. Mr. Johnson stated if it is a problem getting everyone here we could hold the meeting after the next council meeting. Mayor asked Mrs. Callahan if that would be possible then council could decide whether to stay or not.
Mr. Winkler stated he had called Mrs. Callahan last week when there was a meeting scheduled and told her he was running late but was on his way. Mrs. Callahan, Chief Bruck, Lt. Sylder were in attendance and I (Mr. Winkler) was on my way. Mrs. Callahan called Mr. Winkler back and told him not to come that Mr. Johnson and his brother had left. Mr. Johnson stated and “wanted to reschedule.” Mr. Johnson stated the way the meeting came about was that Mr. Johnson showed up and talked with Mrs. Callahan and she said she would let me know about the meeting. I had a job two hours away pouring a slab that I was committed to. Mr. Johnson called Mr. Green and gave him his phone number and told him that he may be out of range but would be able to receive his message in a few hours. Mr. Green told Mr. Johnson that if he heard anything he would let me know. I didn’t hear anything Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. Mr. Johnson stated he started pouring concrete at 8AM on Monday, received a message from Mrs. Callahan at 8:12am calling to schedule a meeting at 6PM Monday evening. Mr. Johnson stated in the meeting last week Mrs. Callahan said she wanted the new councilmembers to hear this for the first time and so I rushed home and called Fred and we came to the meeting, not one council member was there, not one. Mrs. Long stated she did not understanding what Mr. Johnson is wanting. Mrs. Long asked Mr. Johnson, you want all of council to be there? Mr. Johnson stated that is what she told me I could have. Mrs. Long stated we all cannot meet with you without having a scheduled meeting that is against our rules. We cannot do that.

Mr. Green stated he had called Mrs. Callahan and said he was not available for the Monday night meeting. Mrs. Callahan had not heard from Mr. Boschert other than if he could not make
it he would contact Mr. Johnson personally and that is what Mr. Boschert did. Mr. Green stated to Mr. Johnson if you are wanting this large number of people together whether its council members or some composite of it that Mr. Johnson, you would need to be flexible as far as time goes because getting all those people together is going to be a bear. Mr. Green stated he guessed the offer is, in order to make the meeting we would need to find a time available for everyone. Mr. Green stated he knew he was available on Tuesday evening. Mrs. Callahan stated, I don’t know if my staff is available that late at night. That is the reason I tried to do it last week, that was the only time Lt. Slyder was available that is why we did it on Monday. Mrs. Callahan stated she had spoken with Mr. Boschert on Friday morning and he told her that if he (Mr. Boschert) was not able to make it he would call Mr. Johnson. Mrs. Callahan stated she e-mailed everyone again and the only persons she thought was coming was Mr. Green and Mr. Green let Mrs. Callahan know around 1PM by e-mail on Monday that he was sorry but something came up and he could not attend the meeting. Mrs. Callahan stated she knew that much, she did not know at that time about Mr. Boschert whether he was or not attending the meeting. Mr. Winkler had the time before indicated he would like to be here, so I knew possibly Mr. Green, Mr. Boschert interrupted and stated he had called Mr. Johnson but had not informed Mrs. Callahan about not being able to make the meeting. Mrs. Callahan stated she saw Chad Johnson that day because he happened to be in the office for another reason and he said he wasn’t coming tonight. Mrs. Callahan stated she wasn’t expecting him but thanked him for letting her know, because you (Mr. Green) had said something to Mr. Boschert that this is your ward at a previous council meeting so I expected you two and I knew that from last time that Mr. Winkler was interested those are the only three I expected because I could only have three at a time. Mrs. Callahan stated she confirmed as soon as she could confirm with Mr. Johnson as soon as she knew Mr. Winkler was coming, she didn’t know if Mr. Boschert was or wasn’t but assumed he was and she knew Mr. Green wasn’t later that day. Mrs. Callahan stated she could not wait any longer not to confirm with you. Mr. Boschert stated that basically he did not want to be the holdup and Mr. Boschert stated he would get a hold of Mr. Johnson if he (Mr. Boschert) could not make the meeting, which he did. Mr. Boschert stated because he wanted Mr. Johnson to have his meeting.

Mrs. Callahan stated that Lt. Slyder was there, Chief Bruck was there and the Chief has offered twice to meet with you one on one. Chief Bruck is new and I wanted him to hear your side of the story. Chief Bruck has offered twice to meet with you and you told him no, the last time he asked you if you wanted to meet with him one on one, this was on Monday night and you stated no and you and your brother left. So he said fine if you change your mind give him a call. Mrs. Callahan stated she knows he’s called at least once prior to that to try and set a meeting up. Mr. Terry Johnson stated he’s never called me, but I got the word that he’d talk with me. That’s not it I was told I would have this meeting and that’s what I want to have.
Mr. Green asked Mr. Johnson if there were any days throughout the middle of the day that your available and is that a option for you? Mr. Johnson stated yes. Mrs. Callahan stated during regular business hours is fine. Mrs. Callahan stated if Mr. Johnson would call Flo with what dates/times during regular business hours he’s available then she could contact Council
and try and set the meeting up. Mr. Boschert commented would be better mid day or afternoon.
Mr. Martin Neal of 436 W. Lomar stated he has listened to the same request three different times from Mr. Terry Johnson. Mr. Neal stated his personal belief is that we have a strong City Manager Government. Mr. Neal said if he came to council with a request and asking for a special meeting with council to discuss a private grievance that you would turn him down flat. Thank you.

Council Report:
Mrs. Long stated that at the meeting before there had been dates associated with Mr. White attending a council meeting and Mrs. Long moved to have an open invite whenever he is available to attend a council meeting. Mr. Winker commented that he thought Mrs. Callahan had stated that Mr. White was not available during the month of March but would confirm when he would be. Mrs. Callahan commented that Mr. White said he might be available April 13th but he has not confirmed. Mrs. Long stated she just wanted this to be an open invite whenever he is available.
Mr. Winkler stated he received a phone call from a lady who visits Roscoe Roof Park on a daily basis and she has observed that people walking their dogs are not cleaning up after them. Mr. Winkler asked if you’re going to walk your dog in the park please clean up after them. Also the lady witnessed a dog running free and jumped upon a lady and knocked her down. The dog was friendly and the lady was not hurt, but the city does have a leach law and people should abide by this and keep their dogs on leaches.
Mr. Green welcomed everyone who came out this evening. Mr. Green commented that he spoke with Tony Carpenter, owner of Beyond the Green House, regarding the War Memorial.
Mr. Green encouraged Mr. Carpenter to submit a proposal and Mr. Green offered an invitation for him to meet with Council. Mr. Carpenter felt he could propose a way to enhance other services so that there would be no or little cost to the city. Mr. Carpenter stated he would show a preliminary as well as a finished sketch. Mr. Carpenter is an architect in landscaping, and would not charge for his drawings. Mrs. Callahan suggested that Mr. Carpenter should present his presentation to the Park Board first and get their opinions and then bring to the Council. Mr. Green stated this is mostly labor enhanced and should be completed by Memorial Day. Mrs. Callahan stated she would ask Mr. Casson to spray paint the right of way.
Mr. Boschert announced that the JEMS Board met last Monday. Mr. Boschert stated he was not aware that while the chassis is being worked on the company gave JEMS a loaner to use so that we were not down one vehicle.
Mr. Boschert reminded everyone that the Census forms are out. Mrs. Long asked if there were blank forms here at Town Hall in case someone does not receive a form. Mrs. Callahan stated yes. Located in the hall way. Mr. Boschert asked Mrs. Callahan about the big chunks of rock
out on Park Drive, that were left behind from CSX when leaving their project. Mrs. Callahan stated would contact someone about cleaning up their mess when leaving.
Mr. Johnson commented that he has received a couple of phone calls regarding the rocks also. Mr. Johnson state he brought up an idea a few weeks back regarding a policy for open bid request. When the city has a project not above or greater than $500 for bid, would be nice if the Area Chamber of Commerce could post on their website so that our smaller business would be aware of the project. Mrs. Callahan stated that Miamisburg has something already in place and will check into this to see what it entails and tweak to our needs, and will be sure Christine Brown receives a copy for the Chamber Website.
Mrs. Callahan wanted to clarify, bid. When we bid it is a formal bid and it’s has to be advertised. I think what we are talking about are quotes and proposals. Mr. Johnson stated that was correct.
Mr. Lickliter stated he appreciated how the weekend was handled regarding the train fire on Saturday morning. Mr. Lickliter felt that everyone that was there did a good job in handling it, and keeping us safe. The other thing, Mr. Lickliter wanted to thank Mrs. Callahan for the call early in the morning to inform us on what had developed in the city. Mr. Green stated he was grateful also, but was wondering if this would have fallen under the Code Red system. Mrs. Callahan stated if this had been hazardous material involved, it would have. We don’t want to overuse the system because we really want people to listen when we have to use it.

Mayor’s Report:
Mayor Humphries thanked the City of Mason for Hosting the Warren County Municipal League Board meeting. A dinner will be held on April 21, 2010 at JD Legion in Franklin, Mayor stated he was hoping for a good turnout. Mayor Humphries thanked the Franklin Township for the use of their speed sign, it has been moved from Fairview to Meadowlark Drive. Mayor Humphries commented that he drove by the Fire House and was excited to see so many people there in attendance. Mayor to ask the residents to replace batteries in their CO detectors and Smoke detectors for safety.
Manager’s Report:
Mrs. Callahan stated that March 27, 2010 the Dairy Queen will be holding a Community Spring Fling and the proceeds will go to the Fire Department for purchasing uniforms. Tradewinds and Colonial Village Apartments have donated money to the Carlisle Fire Department for the purpose of purchasing uniforms. Mrs. Callahan wanted to thank the surrounding Fire Departments who helped on Saturday’s train fire and also wanted to thank the Dallas Prater Family for allowing the Fire Department access to their property.
A RESOLUTION AMENDING RESOLUTION 8-06 WHICH DESIGNATED COMMUNITY NATIONAL BANK, FIFTH THIRD Bank, HUNTINGTON BANK, OAK HILL BANK, LEBANON CITIZENS NATIONAL BANK AND NATIONAL CITY BANK AS THE DEPOSITORIES FOR THE CITY OF CARLISLE, OHIO, AND AUTHORIZING OFFICIALS TO SIGN ALL FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
Mr. Boschert made a motion to suspend the rules requiring three readings, have one reading by title only, and declaring an emergency. Seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Johnson, yes; Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes; Mr. Boschert, yes; Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes.
Discussion: This amends the original legislation to reflect the recent acquisition of Community National Bank by National Bank and Trust Company. We need emergency language because they took over January 1, 2010.
Mrs. Long made a motion to adopt. Seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Johnson, yes; Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes; Mr. Boschert, yes; Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes.

Resolution passed of this day will be entered into Resolution Record Book as 2-10.
A RESOLUTION DECLARING IT NECESSARY TO PROVIDE FOR LIGHTING THE STREETS, LANES AND OTHER PUBLIC WAYS IN THE CITY OF CARLISLE, OHIO WITH ELECTRIC LIGHTING DURING THE YEAR 2009 AND AUTHORIZING THE ASSESSMENTS FOR THE COST AND EXPENSE THEREOF UPON ALL LOTS AND LANDS LYING AND BEING WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF SAID CITY.
Discussion: This begins our process for street lighting assessment. It’s a three part process, the first is the legislation tonight and once this passes the 2nd and 3rd parts will come into play and legislation will be presented sometime in June. Parts 2 & 3 run concurrent. The second step is an ordinance to proceed and the third one is to levy the assessment. All legislation needs approved by September when the assessments are presented to Warren County.

AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF $814,500 OF RENEWAL BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING A PORTION OF THE COST OF MAKING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MUNICIPALITY AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
Discussion: This ordinance is on for the first reading. This bond is relating to phased IV, V and VII of the SR 123 Reconstruction project, this is a buy down of $26,250 from the previous hole This legislation has emergency language to allow the city to waive the 30-day enactment period. This still will allow for three readings. The Note matures May 20, 2010. This is paid from the Eagle Ridge TIF Funds.

AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF $327,500 OF RENEWAL ANTICIPATION NOTES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF REFUNDING NOTES ORIGINALLY ISSUED TO PAY A PORTION OF THE COST OF MAKING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MUNICIPALITY.
Discussion: This ordinance is on for the first reading. This is a buy down of $5,000 from the previous note. This is the third renewal on Phase VI of the SR 123 widening project. This note will be serviced using the Eagle Ridge TIF Funds.

AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE EDITING AND INCLUSION OF CERTAIN ORDINANCES AS PARTS OF THE VARIOUS COMPONENT CODES OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR THE ADOPTION OF NEW MATTER IN THE UPDATED AND REVISED CODIFIED ORDINANCES, REPEALING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading. Will be on the next agenda for the third reading.
There being no further business Mr. Boschert made a motion to adjourn into Executive session for the purpose of Personnel to discuss to consider the appointment, employment, dismissal, discipline, promotion, demotion, or compensation of a public employee or official or to consider the investigation of charges or complaints against a public employee and to return for possible action. Seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes; Mr. Boschert, yes; Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes; Mr. Johnson, yes.
Mayor Humphries stated council needed to amend the agenda this evening to add a Resolution with emergency language. Mr. Winkler made a motion to amend the agenda to add a Resolution with emergency language. Seconded by Mrs. Long.
Roll call: Mr. Boschert, yes; Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes; Mr. Johnson, yes; Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes.

A RESOLUTION TO RATIFY PAYMENT OF SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.
Mr. Green made a motion to suspend the rules requiring three readings, have one reading by title only, and declaring an emergency. Seconded by Mr. Winkler.
Roll call: Mr. Boschert, yes; Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes; Mr. Johnson, yes; Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes.
Mr. Winkler made a motion to adopt. Seconded by Mr. Boschert.
Roll call: Mr. Boschert, yes; Mr. Green, yes; Mayor Humphries, yes; Mr. Johnson, yes; Mr. Lickliter, yes; Mrs. Long, yes; Mr. Winkler, yes.
Resolution passed of this date will be entered into Resolution Record Book as 3-10.
There being no further business council entered into work session. Mr. Green made a motion to adjourn from the work session and seconded by Mr. Lickliter.
Meeting adjourned at 10:15pm.
Date: ___________________
_________________________
Mayor
Attest: __________________________
Clerk of Council
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CITY OF CARLISLE

NOVEMBER 24, 2009

The regular meeting of the City of Carlisle was held this evening, November 24, 2009 in Town Hall with Mayor Tim Humphries presiding.  The meeting was opened at 7:00PM with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Roll call: Mr. Dennis Bowles, aye; Mayor Tim Humphries, aye; Mr. James Lickliter, aye; Mr. Randy Winkler, aye; Mrs. Jennifer Long, aye; Mrs. Mary Ann Thompson, aye. Absent: Mrs. Carry Branson.

Mrs. Thompson made a motion to excuse Mrs. Branson due to illness. Seconded by Mr. Bowles.

Roll call: Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.

The minutes of November 10, 2009 were presented to Council for approval.  Mr. LIckliter made a motion to approve the amended minutes. Seconded by Mr. Winkler.  Mr. Lickliter stated that Flo can read the corrections or you can go and read the correction on the website.

Roll call: Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, abstained; Mr. Winkler, aye; Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye.

Public Forum:

Mr. Bryan Green -8473 Meadowlark Drive spoke on the issue of Jamaica Run Golf Course. Asked to address Council on a follow-up from last Council meeting of the exchange between Mrs. Branson and Mayor Humphries regarding Jamaica Run Golf Course and the High School Boys Golf Team. Mr. Green stated he recognizes that this is more a school issue but since the issue was raised about the possibility that maybe a council member, particularly the Mayor, had engaged in some mis-conduct that may have led to a negative or adverse affect; Mr. Green felt a little bit of a follow-up would not be a bad idea.

Mr. Green stated he wanted to share with Council on what he had learned. Mr. Green stated if we do have a council member engaging in conduct outside their area that is saying going outside and pursuing school board stuff instead of council stuff we certainly should know about that.

On November 11^th, Mr. Green stated he made a phone call to the home of Mr. Richard Denny, owner of Jamaica Run. Found out that Mr. Denny was on vacation in Florida until March. But did speak with his son Mr. Rich Denny, who assured Mr. Green that he could speak on behalf of the Denny family and the ownership of Jamaica Run Golf Course. Mr. Green asked Mr. Denny if he could shed any light on what was going on. Mr. Green admitted he had no idea on what he was getting ready to step into and wanted to have an unbiased opinion.  After briefly speaking, Mr. Denny did share with Mr. Green that the Golf Course was coming under some tough times like all businesses have and they had a tough decision that they were facing. Jamaica Run host three schools and the schools from a Golf Course perspective are a drain unlike paying customers. Not total charity, but apparently it is expensive to help the school. Jamaica Run had a decision they had to make. Over the years, they have been supportive of the Carlisle School and the Community has been good to them. Valley View they have a lot of roots there and of course West Carrollton.

Mr. Green stated that what actually Mr. Denny said was “they labored over this decision for a couple of years and didn’t know how they were going to deal with it. They realized it was tough problem. When Carlisle took the last little bit of love they showed Jamaica Run Golf Course and took it to Heatherwood for their Annual Golf Outing that made their decision an easy one. Mr. Green stated those were Mr. Denny’s exact words.

Mr. Denny asked why Mr. Green was asking, Mr. Green shared with Mr. Denny the details of the exchange between Mrs. Branson and Mayor Humphries, until then I didn’t want to bias the conversation  any. Mr. Green asked Mr. Denny the question pointedly. “It has been said that there is a concern that perhaps Mayor Humphries influenced staff, management, ownership, is there any truth to that?

Mr. Denny stated “Absolutely not, that is ridiculous” Mr. Green stated that made him feel pretty good about the matter. Mr. Green also realized that he was not talking to Mr. Kidwell whose name came up repeatedly as well as Mr. Griffith.

Mr. Green stated he called Mr. Kidwell; the Interim Manager at Jamaica Run Golf Course put me in contact with Mr. Kidwell, who is also vacationing in Florida and would not be back until March.

In speaking with Mr. Kidwell on the phone his first response was kind of anxious like he expected this to come up. He went on to comment “I know there is a whole lot of scuttle butt going on over there and he said right from the get goes. I sure welcome the opportunity to address anybody in Council and explain to them why we made the decision we made. When I get back in March I will do that.

Mr. Green explained to Mr. Kidwell that he would like to address Council the evening. Mr. Kidwell said if you are going to address Council tonight, Quote me this way “I am Jim Kidwell, Manager of Jamaica Run Golf Course, our decision to terminate the relationship with the High School Golf Team was a decision based on business principals alone. It was not based on any personal reason what so ever and was not based at all on anything Tim Humphries or anyone individual did or did not do or did or did not say”.

Mr. Green asked pointedly. Is there any truth, any merit what so ever to the proposition that Mr. Humphries influenced or made your decision for you?  Mr. Kidwell stated that is preposterous, “I don’t know Tim Humphries”.

Mr. Green stated I can’t say whether he does nor doesn’t, but that is what he said to me. I know there was some confusion over Mr. Humphries had ever been there. But, he said he wanted to encourage council members to contact him. Again I know this is a school issue, but we did spend a good deal of time last meeting and I felt it appropriate publicly to explain what I learned. Mr. Green stated he would share with Council that it took 15 minutes to do all this on the phone and a genuine desire to get to the bottom of this. It is distracting from time that we all could spend better. Mr. Green stated I am not here to defend or attack anybody. I do feel it is a shame that Mrs. Branson is not here, because I would take this opportunity to state that a personal apology would be in order but that is not why I came here.  I just wanted to make sure Council had the benefit of what Mr. Green had learned.

Mr. Green stated that Mr. Kidwell quoted: “I want to meet with Council, because I’m getting a bloody nose on this and I don’t deserve it.”

Mr. Winkler commented that he spoke with Mark Townsly, Athletic Director at the school. Mr. Townsly stated that when the school district received the phone call from Jamaica Run that the school was no longer allowed to send students there to play golf that message was left on the answer machine. When Mr. Townsly returned the phone call, there was a little bit of a heated conversation and Mr. Kidwell hung up on Mr. Townsly. Mr. Townsly told Mr. Winkler that he drove up to the golf course and told Mr. Kidwell there had been a “bad connection” a second time he would drive up here and talk to him. What Mr. Kidwell said was basically what Mr. Green had stated its no one individual that caused this to happen, they were over loaded with kids. Carlisle and Valley View were two schools that have been there since the Golf Course opened. West Carrollton was the third team to come in. But because one of the owners is from West Carrollton and from what Mr. Green had said earlier about the deep roots of the Denny Family with Germantown that is how those two schools stayed and Carlisle was booted. Mr. Kidwell supposedly made the statement to Mr. Townsly that no one from Carlisle supported Jamaica Run Golf Course and he named the Rich England Golf Outing and that Jamaica is not large enough to have it there, the Carlisle Band Boosters, who have a Golf Outing who doesn’t participate there and Carlisle Park Board who moved there golf outing to Heatherwood because they were able to get a better deal.

Mr. Green stated he spoke with Mr. Denny as a fellow business owner. Mr. Green shared with Mr. Denny that I don’t represent Carlisle.  I will in the future but I don’t right now. I certainly don’t

Represents the school. We can clearly see where issues that are in the best interest of the city can conflict and can cause negative consequences to the youth of our city.  This is not retaliation at any level but is retaliating against our youths. Mr. Denny did share: “Quote: This is all going to work out and everything will be fine just giving us a few months and will find a solution that works for everybody. Mr. Denny did seem like he was committed to this idea. Mr. Green stated the city decides for their own interest and it should, if we could do a better deal at (Heatherwood or Pipestone) the city has to think about funding the Park Board.  They have to make the money they need and not have to think about the consequences it would have on any other group, naturally we need to be aware of the potential rising of conflict of interest. Let’s say anyone who serves on a Park Board or any capacity of the school, sooner or later these two are going to meet and you will have to choose one or the other.

Mr. Green stated he did not speak on behalf of Council or the School. Mr. Green thought if the city Park Board decides for its own financial best interest and procedures a better result they made the right decision. 

Mr. Lickliter questioned:  Do we know if anybody from the school has approached the Golf Course?

Mr. Winkler commented that Mr. Townsly has spoken with the Golf Course. Right now the school is looking for another place for the student to play, with the students going to Jamaica saved the school money because most of them drove there.  Depends on where they go, may cost the school a little more for busing the students to and from practice and golf outings.

Mr. Lickliter questioned Mr. Green: Did you take the opportunity to discuss solving the situation with the school.

Mr. Green stated he did not. Felt that would be over stepping the boundaries. Though would be a wonderful idea but didn’t want to speak for the school at all.

Mr. Lickliter stated he was surprised that Mr. Green took this upon himself to do this in the first placed. Basically you took this upon yourself to represent the council and the city in this example but not the school.

Mr. Green stated no sir! On the very outset. I do not represent the city. I am Bryan Green, John Q, public citizen and wanted to know if you could give me some answers so that I can address council in my capacity as a voting citizen. Mr. Green stated he did not offer any remedy that was not the intent of my phone call – The context of my phone call was strictly information gathering, information  that I promised I would share with Council,  we did not discuss any remedy. Mr. Green stated it would not have been appropriate for him to seek a remedy on the school behalf even as a council member.

Mr. Green stated that a mixing of the two will have to happen. Certainly the city and school have to work together on situations like this.

Mr. Lickliter commented that we need to be able to sit down and talk and put together goals to work towards.

Mr. Roger Britton -280 Welcome Way questioned if the streets would be in better shape this year than last year. Mrs. Callahan stated that last year there was a shortage of salt throughout Ohio. Salt has already been delivered to the city this year and there is no shortage.

Council Report:

Mrs. Long stated she had attended the Area Progress Breakfast this morning- “Annual Outlook Breakfast” -The speakers were Steve Wilson, President of Lebanon Citizens National Bank and his is also the head of the National Banker’s Associations and Steve Johnson, President of Sinclair College.  Mr. Johnson spoke on the Sinclair Extension College in Mason. He commented this was a 3 phase project. The first phase if finishing up. In 2007 they had 300 students attending, 2008 they had 600 and in 2009 there were 1,000 students.  They are offering Five Associate Degrees and Nine Certificate Programs.

They are working with a number of Universities in Partnership.

In 2010, dual credit hours will be available to every school in Warren County.

Mr. Wilson spoke on “The Economic Outlook”.  He stated that he knew we wanted to hear all sunshine reports. There is some evidence that we are in a small recovery but that we have a long way to go. Concerns for the near future’s unemployment rate is still high and may go higher, we will see more delinquencies on mortgages, and there will be delinquencies on businesses before long, 60% of modified mortgages were alreadyin default again after six months. Comments was that we were possibly in a V pattern where we have hit bottom and starting back up, but more likely we’re in a W pattern, hit bottom come back up and seeing a bear market in a recession as far as stock because they are rising but well be slipping  again to another low. Mrs. Long stated Mr. Wilson commented that when this is over Warren County will come out well. A question regarding small businesses loans? These loans are available, credit is not as easy to get as before. Need to have a good business plan, personal money to invest; you can’t get 100% investments anymore. There is money but banks are being conservative on giving it out.

Mrs. Long thanked Council for allowing her to attend the NLC Conference in San Antonio it was very informative. Mrs. Long commented on one session she attended was “Increase in Government Efficiency through Technology” One Council member who was serving on the Panel was from Louisville, KY. Spoke on how they were able to use technology to help better serve their residents and vendors and to save money. Mrs. Long stated that since this was something that was spoken about during the City’s Goal session thought very informative, you can go to Louisvill.gov to see what they area doing.

Another interesting class was on “Strategies to Promote Entrepreneurship and Small Businesses” This regards partnership between government and private investors in order to encourage new resources for small business and to develop. Mr. Earl Bagley’s message was “You don’t have to invest in a lot of money to help with the environment. You don’t have to go through all kinds of fancy things. Start with very simple things and as you get into it and save money then you can get into it deeper, but start with very very simple things. Mrs. Long stated that she had information that she would be passing on to the City Manager in regards to these sessions.

Mr. Lickliter stated that he has not had the opportunity to go to a conference, but imagined these seminars are attended by large cities and he imagined that the large cities are the ones that contributes and put these on, is that true?

Mrs. Long stated not totally there are cities as small as 200 people who attend. There is a wide variety and yes there is a lot that maybe too expensive for a city our size to do, but we choose the sessions that would benefit our city.  Another source of information is from vendors and talking with other people.

Mr. Lickliter asked do they have sessions for smaller cities. Mrs. Long stated Yes.

Mrs. Thompson stated some ideas come through small cities council which she is a member of. All councils have the same problems but they have solutions on how they arrive at solving them.

Mr. Lickliter commented that he just wanted to be sure we’re getting the value for the money, we can bring information back that we can actually use.

Mayor Humphries expanded that there is one more level and that is the Ohio Municipal League, which offers similar vendors, and some of the same things which could have the same cities attending and also a town of 52 people could be there. Levels of networkings are through Area Progress, Warren County Municipal League, Ohio Municipal League, and National League of Cities.   This is also according to your availability which one you would like to attend.

Mr. Lickliter commented that many of our citizens in the past have questioned the reason we attend these seminars. We need to let the residents know we do bring valuable information back and maybe as we bring up improvements we can refer back to the conference that the council members attended.

Mrs. Long stated she is very conscious about attending these seminars and feels obligated to spend her time there  learning.

Mr. Lickliter commented that we have talked about a travel policy. Are we going to include in our policy as we attend these seminars that we will report back.  Mayor stated that when signing up for the seminars there is a tri fold that you fill out to alert the press with this information and also includes the reason why you are attending and what you have learned.

Mr. Lickliter stated that both Mrs. Thompson and Mrs. Long brought back information to share with council. Can we share the information with our citizens, possibly in the billing information?

Mrs. Thompson stated we do receive press packets but unfortunately the press does not always print what you send to them

Mrs. Callahan stated she has several items that she will be bringing forth. One item is Recreation “A Kaboom Playful City Program” This involves a lot of relationship building with private industries that have the money to help. Kaboom  is a non-profit organization that will put you in touch with donors and then we have to rally the forces here at home to get volunteers to help build. We will still have to contribute a little bit of city money,  Unfortunately, we don’t have a huge business in town, but we do have P&G and Lexus Nexus that are close. Mrs. Callahan has information to help guide us on this kind of project.

Another item that doesn’t cost anything would be the Community Convent. This is done with the Armed Forces and they give you  guidelines to get started. This is public recognition  of those serving in the Armed forces.

Mrs. Long stated our city is very fortunate due to conservative money management in the past.  We are not in the financial shape like other cities. We can afford to go to these conferences.

Mrs. Thompson stated she would like to thank this council for allowing her to attend the National League of Cities.

Mrs. Thompson  reported on this conference as she has done on all the other conferences that she has attended in the past. Mrs. Thompson stated all previous conferences reports have been documented on tape during the council meeting.

Mrs. Thompson stated she attended two General Sessions: Exercising the Need for Cities to Work Together and   Follow Environmental Saving Practices. Sustain availability during these Economic Times was a big focus for this conference.

Mrs. Thompson attended four work sessions. Included Health Care Reform; How it affects our city budget by using local assets; to reinvent our economy; Leading and Communicating in Time of Crisis and helping your city cope during fiscal crisis.  Mrs. Thompson stated she would be forwarding the entire demo to the City Manager for her review.

Mrs. Thompson attended the National Human Development Committee Meeting. Serves as a National Representative of Ohio and contributed to all the new resolutions for next year. These involve many issues regarding the Workforce Development Act, Teen Pregnancy and Veterans Issues.  Copies will be given to Flo to have on file for everyone to review.

Mrs. Thompson stated she participated in the National Small Cities Council. This was an excellent meeting brought home a lot of good points that apply to our city.  How important it to communicate on everything your doing to the community and it is important to combine services such as: dispatch, we have already looked at what the future may bring for us regarding that. A common problem is that the money is not coming down from the state to the cities. All cities have the same problems.

Emphasized that we need to call this (3R’s) Reduce, Recycle and Reuse to save money in our budget regarding anything going on at Town Hall, Service Dept. Etc.  We need to balance economics with Environmental Issues that was a real plus and some of the Economic Development assets Carlisle needs to concentrate on is high traffic count, young workforce, University research programs. Mrs. Thompson stated that one of the big things that would bring a lot of Economic Development to the community if we had a Community College.

Mrs. Thompson stated she works with Mike Griffith on a special Community Committee working towards our school’s future. I do it as a private citizen and want to discuss with him on some of these items that she received from the seminar. Look down the road at possibly bringing Sinclair into the city by offering some classes here in the city.  Do want to Thank Council for allowing Mrs. Thompson to attend. Brought back a lot of ideas.

Mr. Lickliter commented on many cities are facing reduction in revenues. In any of the sessions did they speak on how any of them were able to mitigate the impact of this?

Mrs. Thompson stated one thing they kept mentioning   was sustainability. Keep our services as high as you can and sustain your services, make cuts and work with combining services if we need to down the road. That maybe the direction for the Joint Fire District, they are really concentrating on that. Mrs. Thompson stated she knows at the state level they are starting to push that direction on consolidating services.  Don’t mean contracting services but consolidating where everybody shares in the cost and

responsibility. Basically what the city may have to look at in the future.

Mayor’s Report:

Mayor asked to schedule a work session on January 12^th, will get with City Manager on Topics.

Manager’s Report:

Mrs. Callahan stated Council and Department Heads attended a Retreat on October 31, 2009 and developed  combined goals for 2010. If Council agrees with the final report, she would like to publish the report for public.

Mrs. Thompson made a motion to publish the document to the public, seconded by Mr. Lickliter.

Roll call: Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.

Mrs. Callahan stated will report quarterly on the progress of obtaining City goals.

Mrs. Callahan wished everyone a Happy Holiday and that the City Offices will be closed on Thursday and Friday.

Tree Light Service will be held on December 7^th at 7pm. This year’s memory tree is in memory of Pat Long. Former Mayor of Carlisle. Will go to the New Jersey Presbyterian Church afterwards for hot chocolate and cookies.   Home Decorating Contest will be held on December 16^th.  Santa Breakfast will be held on December 12^th at 9am. This is a Lions Club Event.  Reservations can be made on line this year at the City website.

AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE REAPPROPRIATIONS/SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR CURRENT EXPENSES AND OTHER EXPENDITURES FOR THE CITY OF CARLISLE, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2009, AMENDMENT NUMBER 14, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: $1,162.50 additional for legal expenses related to the Campbell cases.  Grand total is $8100.00. Need $1,700 to be moved from one line to another for fire extinguisher replacement and testing.

Mr. Lickliter made a motion to suspend the rules requiring three readings, have one reading by title only, and declaring an emergency. Seconded  by Mr. Winkler.

Roll call: Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye; Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye.

Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adopt the Ordinance, seconded by Mr. Winkler.

Ordinance passed of this day will be entered into Ordinance Record Book as 26-09.

AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR CURRENT EXPENSES AND OTHER EXPENDITURES FOR THE CITY OF CARLISLE, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2010, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

AN ORDINANCE TO REVISE THE 2010 EMPLOYEE PAY SCHEDULE AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFER OF $125,500 FROM THE GENERAL FUND-101 TO THE CARLISLE BUSINESS PARK FUND-302, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFER OF $1,800 FROM THE GENERAL FUND -101 TO THE EAGLE COURT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FUND -702, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFER OF $49,800 FROM THE EAGLE RIDGE TIF FUND -210 TO THE FOLLOWING FUNDS: SR 123 PHASE V (413), SR 123 PHASE VI (414) AND SR 123 PHASE VII (415), AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFER OF $51,449 FROM THE FEMA FUND – 230 TO THE FOLLOWING FUNDS: POLICE SERVCIES (245), ROAD (201), SEWER (602), FIRE (209), REFUSE (604), AND GENERAL FUND (101), AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE UNCLAIMED MONIES AGENCY FUND, FUND 801: AND, AUTHORIZING THE DEPOSIT AND EXPENDITURE OF UNCLAIMED FUNDS FROM THIS ACCOUNT.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1272 SUPPLEMENTARY DISTRICT REGULATIONS, 1272.38 FENCES, WALLS AND HEDGES OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF CARLISLE, OHIO.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1272 SUPPLEMENTARY DISTRICT REGULATIONS, 1272.03 PRIVATE SWIMMING POOLS OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF CARLISLE, OHIO.

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1466 CARLISLE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. SECTION 1466.32 (D) EXTERIOR PROPERTY AREAS (WEEDS) OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF CARLISLE, OHIO

Discussion: This ordinance is on for the second reading and will be on the next agenda for third and final reading.

Mr. Lickliter explained to the public the reason for the three readings are for anyone who has any questions may come to a meeting or Town Hall and ask questions regarding the ordinances and resolutions before passage.

There being no further business Mr. Bowles made a motion to adjourn into executive session for the purpose of litigation to discuss pending and imminent court action, not to return to regular session for action. Seconded by Mrs. Long.

Roll call: Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.

Meeting adjourned at 8PM.

Council adjourned in to executive session at 8:06, Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adjourn into regular session at 8:16pm for no action to be taken, seconded from Mr. Winkler.

Roll call: Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.

There being no further business Mr. Lickliter made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Mr. Winkler.

Roll call: Mr. Bowles, aye; Mayor Humphries, aye; Mr. Lickliter, aye; Mrs. Long, aye; Mrs. Thompson, aye; Mr. Winkler, aye.